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Save-The-World Factor: Part 3 (Part 2 - Part 1)

Peggy Claude-Pierre's Anorexia Observations:

A "Save-The-World" Explanation
 

Contents

Introduction - Peggy Claude-Pierre's "Anorexia/Bulimia" Discoveries - Summary & Discussion - Related Concepts and Tentative Conclusions - References - Contacting the Montreux Clinic and the Disclaimer - April 1999 Update.

The Miriam Case Study (November 1998 to May 1999): Overcoming Anorexia by Omitting a Major Part of the Procedure / Therapy Recommended by Peggy Claude-Pierre.
 

Introduction

By December, 1996, a first draft of The Save The World Factor in suicide problems was circulating for feedback from a number of individuals. By September, 1997, an expanded version of the document became available on the Internet at sathewo1.htm . Soon after, Peggy Claude-Pierre's work with anorexic youth came to my attention; the suggestion was [as quickly interpreted from what was said in television interviews related to her recently published book, The Secret language of Eating Disorders (1) ], that the Save The World Factor was also implicated in other devastating and potentially lethal youth problems..

In my write-up, the Save The World Factor was reported to be common in Calgary's Native youth population seeking substance abuse services during the last 10 years. It was associated with the most serious substance abuse problems, a history of suicide attempts, and often linked to a history of child sexual abuse. The information was supplied to me by a Metis counselor, Darlene Walker, who worked in the field. After learning about her from a Native youth, I sought help because I was infected with the factor. I had also begun to see three other therapists with the hope of understanding what "it" was and why "I had to die." Walker's validation of the problem's existence was very important and served to ward off therapeutic attempts to harm me.

The discovery that other individuals were similarly infected, some having already committed suicide, made the sought understanding even more urgent. A great ethical problem also became apparent. Individuals infected with The Save The World Factor will certainly die if they are not regressed, which is more like reprogramming them to believe that the associated mandate reflects "a lack of objectivity" because the demands are apparently of a humanly impossible nature. If the regression is not done, however, the individual must then have the factor validated and also be empowered to live up to the mandate, meaning that they may not survive. We do not live in a world likely to be kind to Save The World individuals. The only recognized Save The World individual in the western world was put to death by his society about two thousand years ago.

Also see new Introduction to Save-The-World Kids.
 

Peggy Claude-Pierre's "Anorexia/Bulimia" Discoveries

Peggy Claude-Pierre must be congratulated for having done excellent Grounded Theory work. Instead of making the "traditional" assumptions about individuals and proceeding to a cure, she made it possible to discover important concepts in the minds of the ones she sought to help (beginning with her two daughters diagnosed with anorexia), as Darlene Walker had also done with distressed Native youth. The results were quite similar: kids heading for death in a number of often interrelated ways were harboring an inner Save The World attribute probably never revealed to anyone. From Internet files related to Claude-Pierre's work, the following citations render the problem discovered to exist, at least in the minds of individuals she has worked with and apparently cured.

"Anorexic-minded children will want to create perfection and, given that beauty and accomplishment are highly valued, they are often attracted to such things as gymnastics and modeling. Yet the drive for perfection is not so much for personal gratification, but that they want to improve the world, or think there will be less pain. They take on the responsibilities of the world, without understanding that they cannot manage it. They tend to think that they should handle everything, so the condition is essentially a breakdown from overburdening themselves. Such a distorted perception probably starts at a very early age, but by the time symptoms appear the victims can no longer deal with their perceived inadequacy, and relinquish the right to live" (2).

"The suffering that they go through is something that nobody can relate to. Anorexics worry about everyone else - not themselves - and when they realize that they can't fix everything, then they begin to feel worthless. That negative self-image is so powerful that victims simply stop eating. These unusually sensitive people realize that they cannot solve the world's problems and collapse into self-loathing. Anorexia is really an unconscious attempt at suicide because the victims don't believe that they deserve to live. There is a negative mind-set that convinces them that they have to die. It is a complex and devious, deep mind-set. The victim's mind is able to construct such negativity against themselves so that the patient actually has a civil war going on in their head" (3).

"In the most simple terms, Claude-Pierre believes that eating disorders stem from an extreme 'negative mind-set,' which may be present even at birth. Anorexics and bulimics, she says, want to make everything right. When they realize they cannot, they turn their sense of worthlessness inward in an unconscious attempt at suicide. 'Anorexia isn't about thinness,' says Claude-Pierre. 'It's about death. Victims starve themselves in order to disappear.' But anorexia and bulimia can be completely reversed, she believes..." (4). A former professional ballet dancer who "had been around cases of anorexia and bulimia for years," renders the self-killing aspect of anorexia as rendered by Claude-Pierre in a lecture she had attended:

She spoke about the helplessness and hopelessness that people suffering from anorexia and bulimia face every day. Most of  them enter one treatment program after another, yet are still not cured of their eating disorder. Peggy described how she discovered that it is not the desire to lose weight, but the desire to literally not BE, that causes someone to starve themselves of food.
Therefore:
"...anorexia and bulimia are only symptoms..." (3).
"We have coined the phrase 'Confirmed Negativity Condition', from which anorexia sprouts. Food is involved only in that it is synonymous with self-worth, and these people do not recognize that they have any value. They believe that they are not worthy to live, and deny themselves food in order to fulfill that belief about themselves...

I am petrified every time we take a case, such as the six-year-old girl who had a feeder into her blood-system because she had not fed herself in two-and-a-half years. But we have not lost one child yet. Even if someone has only three or four days to live, we can turn them around completely within eight months to a year.

As we understand anorexia, such children have negative 'messages' in their head, 24 hours a day. The voice tells them that they are no good, or variations on that theme. We give them round-the-clock, one-on-one attention by talking against the voice in their mind, instead, reassuring them of their worth. For instance, a 21-year-old woman from Scotland came to us weighing a total of 3.5 stones (22.3 kg), saying: 'I have to die, I am not allowed to live; I am not good enough.' With positive statements and constant attention we ensure that the negativity is no longer allowed to exist, so that the seed of the young person is nurtured to grow.

Some of the children come to us in a trance state, but somehow we do gain their trust. We do this because we respect their minds. It is the hardest work in the world, but its success is based on having respect for the patient. I thank God that we stumbled upon this approach. We have, and I say this with humility, found new ways of thinking, and have discovered how we can give to these children. I am absolutely amazed at the complexity and depth of this emotional illness.

Without that essential trust from the victim, they cannot be guided out of their state. They know when a therapist does not understand what is happening inside their head, and therefore they do not give them their trust. Other approaches often expect the child to be able to 'pull out' of their condition, and while they themselves feel that they ought to be able to do this, they cannot overcome the negative beliefs by themselves.

We are able to reverse this condition through carefully monitored intensive care. We are able to separate the children from the condition, putting anorexia and bulimia on one side, and their uniqueness on the other, so that they understand that the illness is not who they are, but merely an imposition they are hosting, as people are host to parasites. We build an environment of unconditional support for the patient, calling them 'sweetheart', 'love' and so forth. Our staff come to us because they have a great deal of compassion, resilience, humour, and the ability to interact intensely with people who thoroughly hate themselves, are anti-social, and who have driven others away in an attempt to reconfirm their feelings of worthlessness" (2).
 

Summary & Discussion

Peggy Claude-Pierre did somewhat "stumble" on The Save The World Factor, but it was only because she made herself available in such a way that she could be trusted and, as the result of a therapy-like situation, the affected individuals finally revealed what was happening within them. This information may not have been consciously recognized, or was only partly recognized, given that Claude-Pierre reports their wish/determination to die to be "unconscious" in nature.

Claude-Pierre's analysis of the problem, however, may be incorrect. If someone has stopped eating, it is a form of suicide, but food is not "synonymous with self-worth" as Claude-Pierre asserts so she can then conclude (assume) that it is a "self-hatred" problem in need of reversal. Not eating occurs because, as she also notes, "they have assumed that they are not worthy of life and deny themselves food in order to fulfill that belief" (3). "Food" is therefore synonymous with "life," and not eating will certainly produce the mandated result correctly expressed in the form of "I must die!" The same concept is rendered in Save The World Kids: Part 1 which supplies a contextual (or framework) explanation for why these kids feel that they must die.

It is often assumed in the world of suicidology and mainstream therapy that seeking to kill oneself is related to low self-esteem, feeling worthless, and even feeling only hatred for oneself. In therapy, I was soon wondering aloud: "What will the professionals think when I'll be suggesting that some kids are killing themselves because they have high self-esteem?" Save The World Kids are up there in terms of "self-concept" and they would likely receive the "grandiosity" diagnosis commonly given to some schizophrenic individuals. (Related information in Save The World Kids: Part 2.)

Intense long-term therapy costing about $1000.00 per day (as that supplied by Claude-Pierre at Vancouver's Montreux Clinic), could make a Save The World Kid eventually believe the "self-hatred" interpretation and a cure (defined by an individual eating regularly) may result. The cure outcome, however, confirms what I have asserted. Probably not one Save The World Kid survives. The Save The World factor is either regressed as Walker did and Claude-Pierre has been doing, or affected individuals die via suicide or its equivalent. Claude-Pierre interprets many cases of eating disorders to be an act of suicide. Dying by starvation, which is akin to the less severe fasting of some 'saints', is an attribute to be noted, as is their concern for the world and others.

One observation countering Peggy Claude-Pierre's "self-hatred" interpretation is supplied by her: "They understand that if they come first, someone else has to come second, or last," thus revealing an aspect of their thinking pattern. They perceive themselves in relation to others, or as part of the "human" collective. It is therefore possible that they stop eating because they know that others are starving in the world. It is also possible that, once they apparently accept the common belief that no individual can change the world, it simply becomes impossible for them to stay here as one of US who are all responsible for the "traditional" ongoing horrors of the world. Claude-Pierre somewhat renders the same concept at the end of an interview. She addresses the fact that some anorexics are involved with exercise and competition.

"I think that society has to change its value system about competition, even though the competitive attitude of Western civilization permeates every cell of our being. We teach our young to be inhuman through competition. They need to see themselves as unique individuals in the world rather than as sheep following the dictates of society. These children appear superficially to compete, because they strive for perfection, but they are not competitors. They understand that if they come first, someone else has to come second, or last. I fear that society will kill them if it does not change to accommodate them.

We should in fact be encouraged that there are many such individuals in our society. On the surface these children strive to achieve, but underneath, they only want to give to the world. They are very sensitive and intelligent individuals who take on the burdens of others at a young age, at a time when they lack the objectivity to achieve a balance and the understanding that they cannot manage the world. They are potential leaders of our society, and they will give back at least as much as we put into them" (2).

High intelligence, great emotional sensitivity, a Save The World  problem reflecting sainthood (or even a Jesus-like attribute) are not "self-hatred" attributes, and the "I must die" mindset is very different from the often noted low self-esteem related "I going to kill myself because I hate myself" attribute. The important question to ask these kids is: "Why do you feel you cannot remain as one of us? That you must die?" True, we may find what Claude-Pierre called "A Confirmed Negativity Condition," but the "negativity" may not be for oneself (which budding Save The World Kids could nonetheless be made to believe given their social indoctrination). Instead, the "negativity" may be directed at a world they have decided to leave because it is incompatible with their wonderful natures.
 

Comments on Related Concepts and Tentative Conclusions

1. Seeking Perfection: As I read the information rendered by Peggy Claude-Pierre, I was fascinated by the similarities some youth with eating disorders have with other individuals manifesting life-threatening problems problems. For example, in his suicide note, "X" also reported that he had been striving for perfection, especially with respect to helping others. In the end, however, after having evaluated the situation, he also had to die. Perfection is a God-like attribute and it is not surprising to see anorexic individuals described as also perceiving themselves to be "causal" in apparently unlikely events. "[The condition] will make the victim assume blame for every event, no matter how objectively unrelated to her" (5). Some schizophrenic individuals also assume such blame (one that I have corresponded with believed that he was responsible for the Mount St. Helen eruption), and another outcome results: from this: extreme guilt which factors into Major Depression under the criteria "inordinate amount of guilt." In the case of feeling responsible for what others do, the Save The World Jesus-like attribute of "taking responsibility for all the sins of the world" results with predictable negative consequences.

2. The Negative Voice In One's Head: A 'voice' within which is highly negative/critical of the individual is also commonly experienced by paranoid schizophrenics, and it is one of the diagnostic elements for the disorder. These individuals, however, often manifest Save The World attributes called "grandiosity," as noted in Save The World Kids: Part 2. This delusion is a recognized symptom of schizophrenia, but it may also be present in other illnesses such as schizoaffective and bipolar disorder (manic depression). I have been studying these disorders and will soon be making related information available on the Internet. As much as Claude-Pierre has been able to strongly suggest that the mental health professionals have been, in great part, wrong about eating disorders, and they have certainly been in error (and blind) with respect to youth suicide problems, they have also failed to understand many other problems. Unfortunately, psychiatrists are still a great danger to many individuals because they continue to be highly destructive and harmful social servants, as they certainly were when they fabricated the "mental disorder" myth society could then use to further abuse gay and lesbian people.

3. The "civil war" happening in their minds: The "civil war" Peggy Claude-Pierre reports to exist within the minds of individuals she has worked with is what I eventually called "The Battle of the Titans." Surviving the battle may not be possible, unless one becomes what most societies have always made individuals into: the living dead. The "civil war," however, is likely not what Claude-Pierre interprets it to be.

4. The "Emotional Infant" Label: Peggy Claude-Pierre notes that "patients in the acute stage of an eating disorder are emotional infants generally incapable of allowing themselves any favors." Is this true? Infants enjoy favors, such as food and affection, which may mean the interpretation is incorrect. Such behavior, however, would be compatible with a Save The World Attribute in which, as I have described, the socially constructed self-serving 'Ego' must be not only challenged, but it must be eliminated/destroyed. It is to be taken over by what society (psychiatry and religion) has traditionally deemed to be evil: our first personality recently recognized to be the highly positive "inner child." Others have called "IT" the Id. Many mental health professionals, however, view the Id as a "primitive" ("bad") attribute which society (via the socialization process) must repress or destroy. If the Id begins to reassert itself, however, for reasons I have written about, psychiatrists have been there to not only condemn these individuals, but to also supply a "mental disorder" label so that such individuals will be discredited and harmed.

The abstract of the paper, Schizophrenia and oxymorons by P. L. Giovacchini, Dept. of Psychiatry, University of Illinois College of Medicine, Chicago (Bulletin of the Menninger Clinic, 59, 333-344, 1995) illustrates the traditional psychiatric perspective.

"From the viewpoint of character structure, patients with schizophrenia can be seen as the diametric opposite of persons with a nonpsychotic organization. They construct adaptations and defenses to deal with an externalized primitive mental orientation, whereas nonpsychotic persons tend to develop defensive mechanisms to render these primitive parts inactive. Patients with schizophrenia do not have a continuum between primary process Id levels and secondary process reality operations. Thus polarities are not differentiated, leading to a series of paradoxes and oxymorons. These patients may view themselves as omnipotent and grandiose, yet at the same time lead a miserable, drab existence. Primitive parts of the personality may feel alive and powerful, whereas the ego is viewed as dead - the fundamental oxymoron of the living dead. The author presents several illustrative case vignettes of these features."

In Save The World Kids: Part 1, the challenge to the Ego by the Id was described in relation to the Save The World Factor by individuals who, for various reasons, did not experience a complete severance from their inner (highly positive Id-related) Selves as the result of social programming. As much as the above cited "teaching" psychiatrist is able to abusively attack and degrade individuals diagnosed to be mentally ill, the same attack could have also been directed at the highly distressed and addicted Save The World Native youth Darlene Walker encountered. In fact, a very similar attack could also be directed at the individuals manifesting eating disorders seen by Peggy Claude-Pierre. "Look at yourself! You'll be dead in two month! And there you are feeling like you have to save the world. Who the hell do you think you are? Jesus? What a joke! Look at the miserable, drab existence you are leading." (Christ was apparently also told, in a mocking way, something like: 'There you are, saying that you are here to save the world, but you can't even save yourself!')

Psychiatrists do not lead "drab existences" because society pays them extremely well for what they do, including how they treat individuals with eating disorders. Peggy Claude-Pierre related her experiences with mainstream mental health professionals.

"Both of my daughters suffered from anorexia. The condition was particularly severe in my second daughter, Nicole. Initially, I took her to a myriad of professionals who worked in the field. I was told many different things but the theme of all responses was unrelenting in its negativity: 'she will be a statistic within months'... 'she is spoiled and vain'... 'she is a selfish girl, trying to get attention, and you, as her mother, are to blame'... 'try to get therapy for yourself and accept the fact that she is going to die'" (3).

Interviewer: "There is a stereotype about anorexia as a disease of vanity, through which selfish teenage girls try to achieve a 'perfect' body or manipulate their families. If, however, more young children, including boys, are becoming anorexic, this would seem an unlikely explanation."
Claude-Pierre: "To my surprise, anorexia was nothing like what I had read in any medical book. We have come to realize that it is totally different from the traditionally-accepted interpretation. I am not surprised at the rate of recidivism, given traditional thinking, and I am horrified at the death-rate cited from major clinics" (2).

"What distinguishes Montreux from nearly all other eating-disorder programs is the high level of individual attention given to patients and the focus on relieving both victims and their parents of responsibility for the illness. This shift greatly eases the burden of many parents, who have spent years being blamed by doctors - or blaming themselves - for their children's refusal to eat (4)."

It would appear like the intense therapy given to clients by Claude-Pierre works on the principle of creating a mind entity to which the death demand is relegated (or made equivalent to). The process is akin to the one which gives rise to (possibly life-preserving) multiple personalities (now called Dissociative Identity Disorder) in response to serious childhood trauma. Dissociation is also commonly found (as a natural process) in a number of disorders, including schizophrenia, and it is therefore one of the ways some individuals use to cope with often unacceptable situations, including inner realities, or death threatening situations. The following summarizes the work done at the Montreux Clinic.

"We are able to reverse this condition through carefully monitored intensive care. We are able to separate the children from the condition, putting anorexia and bulimia on one side, and their uniqueness on the other, so that they understand that the illness is not who they are, but merely an imposition they are hosting, as people are host to parasites" (1).

"Critics find other aspects of the Montreux program troubling as well. Claude-Pierre holds no advanced degree. Few, if any, of the clinic's more than 100 counselors and care workers (they include Claude-Pierre's two daughters) have any outside training as therapists. Many counselors are former patients and all received their training in-house at Montreux. Some patients complain that the clinic's counselors lack professionalism and that the atmosphere can seem almost cult-like. 'There is no such thing as confidentiality at Montreux,' says one former patient, citing instances when other patients were discussed during her private therapy sessions. Others at Montreux complain that the clinic's emphasis on positive thinking is sometimes used against them. 'Any problems you may have with the clinic are dismissed as the workings of your negative mind,' says one patient. Confronted with complaints about Montreux, Claude-Pierre responds that victims of eating disorders can be irrational and tend to distort reality" (4).

The Montreux therapeutic process is therefore also similar to the blaming of "Satan" for negative desires (which has a long human history in the western world), and I will write more on the subject at some later date. I will soon also be developing a special page on psychiatrists, including the ones who have ventured in Family Therapy. (Some of the published information (and information from my files) to be used in the construction of the page is now available on The Psychiatry Page. In Save The World Kids: Part 1, it was noted that, if society had not completely destroyed a Save The World Kid, and if the distressed individuals ever sought help from formally trained mental health professionals (especially psychiatrists), these professionals were there to finish what society had failed to do. Fortunately, Claude-Pierre is much kinder in neutralizing the Save The World attribute, but "living" may not be the great positive she assumes it to be, at least not for Save The World Kids in the worlds WE have traditionally constructed. She is also a social servant because she is making sure budding Save The World Kids are not brought to fruition for reasons presented in Save The World Kids: Part 1.

Instead, "once they begin to get better, we give them a 'crash course in life.' We teach the how to objectify... Eventually, when they are able to say 'no' to the condition of anorexia, we take them through the stages of life from babyhood to adulthood. For example, during the 'teenage years' we teach them how to think about themselves in relation to the 'outside' world. The last stage is a practicum at living as an out-patient, during which they achieve an objectivity about themselves and the world, and compassion for those who have less understanding. And, well-armed with compassion, humility and caring, there is no reason for recidivism" (1). This reprogramming, however, will make these wonderful individuals like most of US; WE "objectify" the world instead of feeling it, and OUR claims of having "compassion" has been the traditional delusion manifested, for example, by the deceitfully well-meaning religious individuals who ran residential schools for Native children. In Save The World Kids: Part 1, this phenomenon is described by an individual who could easily be given a "Confirmed Negativity Condition" diagnosis, but a careful evaluation will produce the opposite conclusion.

Written on Dec. 25/26, 1997, the day WE celebrate the apparently One and Only "Save The World Kid." It is this celebration (and related beliefs), however, which has made it almost impossible for similar "kids" to ever tell US - or mental health professionals - that they also have this wonderful attribute. For one casualty group, the ones who had brains/minds which shorted, as I labeled it in Save The World Kids: Part 2, the Id-related primal inner element then becomes evident. The "grandiosity" factor is manifested in a number of ways (usually labeled "florid psychoses") for all to see and the individual is then deemed "psychotic," and "paranoid" if they report believing that the social world (including psychiatry) is structured to destroy them. Mental health professionals (such as the one cited above) have written about these individuals so that WE (and the cloned psychiatrists they are producing) will then acquire the knowledge needed to treat these individuals appropriately, with predictable highly damaging (even lethal) outcomes. Additions made January/April 1999.
 

References:

1. The Secret Language of Eating Disorders, Random House. Related information at: - http://www.randomhouse.com/features/eatingdisorders/Table of Contents  and Chapter 1 N/A. (Archive Link)  (Alternate Link for Chapter 1 N/A) (Archive Link) - A related book review printed in the Newsletter of The Society for Adolescent Medicine N/A (Archive Link), Vol. 8(3), January, 1998, (Must scroll to locate book review.) - Book Review - A Civil War in the Mind.

2. Peggy Claude-Pierre has the answer to anorexia nervosa: THEY CALL HER AN ANGEL, by Connie Hargrave, Share International Magazine, URL: - http://205.134.255.39/har12.html N/A (Archive Link) - (Alternate Link N/A)

3. Q & A with Peggy Claude Pierre , URL: - http://www.randomhouse.com/features/eatingdisorders/qna.html

4. Overcoming anorexia: A controversial treatment - Overcoming anorexia. by Betsy Streisand, U.S. News 09/29/97, URL: - http://www.usnews.com/USNEWS/issue/970929/29thin.htm N/A

5. Book examines roots of eating disorders by Ana Veciana-Suarez, Knight-Ridder Newspapers, 11/21/97, URL: - http://www.charlotte-florida.com/NewsArchive2/112197/HN1.HTM N/A

6. About Peggy Claude-Pierre and the Montreux Clinic. URL: - http://www.randomhouse.com/features/eatingdisorders/about.html

7. The founder of The Success Clinic (1998) reports on anorexia after having attended a lecture by Peggy Claude-Pierre: - http://www.preparetowin.com/PeggyClaudePierre.html N/A (Archive Link)

8. The Montreux Clinic Web Site: http://www.montreux.org .  To request general information: info@montreux.org . For admissions information - admissions@montreux.org . Note: This information is given because it was often requested by individuals visiting this web page. It is not  to be taken as an endorsement of the Montreux Clinic - although, as I believe - Peggy Claude-Pierre has supplied important observations needed to ultimately better understand anorexia and related problems, such as suicide, and also better understand certain concepts associated with many religions.
 

April 1999 Update

The association of the pre-oedipal "Id" or "I and Mother are One" concept with the "Save the World" 'problems' was given in Note 27, and this phenomenon would also fundamental in the development of a truly altruistic being for whom the prognosis on this planet continues to be an early death. We are all, of course, expected to separate from mother - thus developing our own Ego and therefore being placed on the path to becoming a representative of our cultural group: the good 'clones' WE are all to be - as replications of our generally morbid forefathers/mothers. Have WE not had a history of manifesting great non-love for all peoples different from OURSELVES? Have WE not also manifested a similar hatred for our own group members who behaviorally and/or ideologically challenged OUR beliefs-du-jour?

There is more to Peggy Claude-Pierre than meets the eye, and the same applies to the self-killing "anorexia" situation experienced by her two daughters in adolescence. Could there be, however, another 'solution' to the anorexia outcome? A solution maybe including the retention of  the associated "Save-the-World" attribute? Related knowledge may be forthcoming, but it may not be appreciated by most people. Unfortunately, WE may not yet be ready to make surviving possible for these kids, and  Peggy Claude-Pierre is therefore simply doing OUR bidding. The 'unacceptable' knowledge needed to understand, however, will likely not come from a mother of an anorexic individual, but from an anorexic individual who has experienced the worst of anorexic outcomes - just short of death - and has recovered with a possible minimal (or non-) 'betrayal' the 'one' within - for an outcome which is yet to be documented.


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